I’d like to say a few words about the buying of wine in Poland. A surprising number of people have told me that Poland is in a ‘transitional state’ when it comes to alcohol consumption. It’s passing slowly and painfully from a ‘vodka’ culture to a ‘beer and wine’ culture thereby bringing it in line with the ‘civilized’ peoples of western Europe. I say ’surprising’ simply because one wouldn’t expect such an obscure subject to come up in general conversation quite so often, but it does. Exactly why the drinking of beer is described as a new thing in Poland I haven’t quite managed to figure out since the big breweries seem to have been going strong since the nineteenth century, however, that’s neither here nor there.
There are three places where one can reasonably expect to be able to buy wine in Poland (assuming the Pope isn’t in town, in which case there are none); the supermarket, the local off-licence, and the poncy wine shop. For non-British readers I offer the following translations: an ‘off-licence’ is the British name for what the Americans would call a liquor store and anyone else would call and alcohol shop (commonly known as the ‘offie’ in British slang); a ‘poncy wine shop’ is a wine shop frequented by ponces. There are quite a few poncy wine shops in Krakow (ok, ok, it’s a shop that sells wine and nothing else) but they are far too easy and no fun. There’s a very good one on the main square in Krakow where the staff have been specially trained to stare at their customers in a witheringly disapproving manner.
Buying wine in the supermarket is a bit like renting pornographic films at the local DVD shop. You are required to slip unobtrusively through a set of swinging doors into a secretive and slightly shameful enclave. It makes you feel very grown up and degenerate. Small children hang their arms over the barrier and wonder what the adults are doing in there pouring over strange bottles with an odd gleam in their eyes. You pick your wine off the shelf and take it to the special cashier within the enclave. She eyes you suspiciously, rings up the cash, wraps your wino in paper and plastic, and hands you the receipt. It’s very important to keep this receipt because when you go to the proper god-fearing cashier at the front of the shop to pay for all your other non-shameful purchases, she will want to look at it. I have no idea why. The first time I was faced with this situation I did what everybody does with receipts and promptly dropped it, or stuffed it into a pocket, or otherwise disappeared it. This was a bad mistake. My goodness what a hoopla ensued. The default assumption was that I had snuck into the wine enclave, snaffled a couple of bottles off the shelf, wrapped them in paper, put them in a plastic bag, and then tried to sneak them through the cash desk by cunningly placing them on the conveyor with all my other stuff. I almost got away with it too.
Now I’m used to it I actually quite like the system. In the UK you pick up wine in the supermarket with no more thought or palaver than you would pick up toothpaste. I quite like the danger of the Polish system. Can you keep hold of that all-important receipt? Will the security guard believe you? I also quite like the way other people queueing at the cash till eye your tightly wrapped bottles and wonder if you are a straightforward drunk or a sophisticated type capable of picking out proper wine. They will never know.
Having said all that, buying wine in the supermarket is nothing compared to buying it in the local offie. Open-all-hours alcohol shops in Poland are actually extremely well-stocked with wine, not to mention a hundred other kinds of intoxicating liquids. The problem is that it’s almost impossible to get at them. The average Polish off-licence is a narrow shop strictly divided by a counter. The customers are on one side of the counter while the sklepowa and all the booze are on the other (depending on the area bullet-proof plexiglass may be involved). Walk up to the counter and the resident troll says “What do you want?” or words to that effect. “Red wine please” opines the innocent customer. The troll rolls her eyes and gestures over her shoulder at the two-to-three hundred wines for sale. “Which?” she asks. Now that’s a tricky question when the wines in question are a good two meters away and it is therefore impossible to read the labels with any accuracy. Also you have to consider the fact that there are a dozen people standing behind you in the queue who may or may not be raving alcoholics with the patience of four-year-old children.
Fortunately the Poles have come up with a cunning system for coping with this fundamental flaw in the wine-selling business; “Sweet or dry?”; “Semi-sweet or semi-dry?” All wine-buying decisions come down to this. The proper response is “Yes. I would like a semi-dry wine for about 20 zloty.” You are then handed a random bottle that vaguely matches these parameters. Note that one should always say “semi-dry” if one doesn’t want to be equated with teenage alcohol experimentation (wisniowa anyone?) and that 20 zloty puts you safely outside of jabola country. Exactly how vintners make money from this arrangement I have no idea. For the customer the results are diverting and occasionally pleasant.
The women? There is only one A.
The song? I was listening to T-Love ‘I Love You’ (Polish version) when I started this. And no, I am not a wise man.
my quick thought is I dare you to drink your wine selection and write the essay you know owe us now on the fine A… and then see if you are alive the next day… then we would sing a song for you and you are done…
very strange that wine is kinda of like buying porn… leads to all kinds of thoughts…
is 20zlot a lot of money for a teenager?
Island, I’m just passing, so two things, if I count correctly:
1. By ‘beer and wine’ culture you really do mean ‘beer OR wine culture’, do you not. Cause, you know, I, like, don’t like beer and I don’t like vodka and I don’t like to have no culture in me.
2. I’ve never known a person, myself included, to rent pornies. People just buy that. IF you should rent, you’d have to carry it back, which’d make all that awkward feelings doubled.
3. When you’ve got ca 20 zł on you, you don’t have to search for any wine. For that price, allowing for price-to-quality / qty index, Francois Dulac is the wine, dry, large-bottled, coming in 3 colours. (The fact I disclose its name proves I trust you. I worry too many people might get FD into liking and buy it all out. Just like they did with this fine Real’s paperboxed tafelwein round 1997, or non-alcoholic Hoop drinks round 2005.)
The Haute Culture air that’s with me right now comes from Type O Negative, “I Know You’re F***ing Someone Else”, The Origin of the Feces album.
mocha: I wrote one post about A a while ago. But, you’re right I should write another, if only to hear you singing
Yes, 20 zl would be a lot of money for the average Polish teenager. In fact it’s a lot for the average Polish adult too when a good job might only earn you 800 zl a month.
Darth:
1. Beer AND wine is what they tell me, although I admit I don’t understand it.
2. I also find the idea of renting porn a little odd, but they quite clearly have an ‘adults only’ rental section in my local branch of Beverly Hills Video (great name
) and it always reminds me of the alcohol section in supermarkets shut away behind a discreet barrier.
3. Francois Dulac eh. Sounds interesting, I will have to look out for it. Never fear, I will tell no one.
Re Beverly Hills
=> Beaverly Holes was the name I saw once upon a pink catalogue.
Re Drinks
Would Poland be the only country to start distilling its own whisky before it started wine-making, climate permitting both?
Cheap wines for Palikot…at last a sense of humour
http://newzar.wordpress.com/2008/01/22/cheap-wines-for-palikot/
Mhmm I have no idea why drinking beer or wine should be any more cultured than drinking vodka? Its probably perceived that way because most people don’t know how to recognise vodka’s quality. Vodka is vodka. Not true. I have the advantage, that my father works for a vodka producer and therefore whether I wanted or not I have been thoroughly educated on ways of vodka production…
I think this attitude of vodka being a “worse” kind of drink is unpatriotic:) Poland is a nation of the North, and like other nations of this region: Sweden, Norway, Finland, Russia, Ukraine we have mastered vodka production. Grapes don’t grow here. Secale does. And as much as I don’t like alcohol at all – I’d prefer one vodka shot and have it all over:) than to sip and sip a pint of beer. (Please note unfortunately one Polish shot is usually double the British 25ml)
Re: Renting porn dvds
I once browsed through the contents of the blue area of my local Beverly Hills Video. None of the covers promised anything exciting… They mostly had some old stuff. And not even one gay movie (or at least bi)! Pffff.
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Jolanta where are you?
PS. Where art thou?
I’m still here… sniff…
Island, sniff? And here? – Complaining about Krk you began? Have some wine, hope it helps!
darth: when was I complaining about Krakow? I was just describing an interesting cultural difference. Not a word of complaint passed my lips. The same cannot be said for several glasses of unidentified wine.
sniff… here… was my comedic response to the idea that perhaps people only click over here to read Jolanta’s comments…
where IS she anyway?
Never fear, my next post has been cunningly constructed to draw her out of hiding.
Pawel: I stress that Polish people told me this about the ‘wine and beer civilized culture’ not foreigners. Certainly it’s true that all vodkas are not created equal, and I think I’m no mean judge of the good from the bad – and were certainly have some very very bad ones in the UK (although not exclusively).
The UK is also a ‘nation of the North’
We invented gin, thank god.
darth: I didn’t understand the comment about Polish whisky. Is there such a thing? I shudder to imagine it.
Island
1. Sorry, I read your sniffemoticon as “why would anyone want to see Jolanta while I’m still here?”
2. I recall the press coverage on the first Polish whiskies (the firstest called “Dark” Whisky, from Polmos ZG distillery), the early 90s. The Polish wine-making tradition seems to be only few years old, however. [Btw, whisky is reputed to remove shudders, or at least provide more pleasant ones.]
Darth, I was asking where island1 was:) When I sent my comment in, yours wasn’t yet accepted – therefore the doubleness of people-seeking.
island1: those Polish people are traitors! Traitors of the Polish vodka! No means should be spared to give them a good headache after a night out.:>
PS. But who invented tonic? What would be gin without tonic? Just a ridiculous creature in lamp:D
Island, sorry to spoil your well-being but “We invented gin” is true if spoken by some Dutch Oranjists. Oh, and Scots are entitled to say “We invented gin”, too. (Find gins in this place for instance.] But no English, no. (Does the thing taste good, anyway?)
Darth: I had a small bet with myself that you would instinctively seek out an alternative-invention-of-gin story. And the Russians invented vodka, and the Cameroonians invented pasta, and the Ashante invented Saki etc…
Pawel: According to British legend the gin and tonic was invented in India by the British. The thing that gives tonic it’s specific flavour, as you may or may not know, is quinine; which is a traditional and effective preventative against certain tropical fevers (malaria etc). The British drank tonic in India to protect themselves from tropical diseases. The only problem was that the water that the tonic was made with also wasn’t always safe. To disinfect the tonic they added alcohol (specifically gin). It’s a beautiful story that adds greatly to the enjoyment of a gin and tonic and I don’t care in the slightest whether it’s true or not.
=> Island, lol.
And I had a bet that your subconscious would be in repression and depression, not allowing the traumatic truth about gin to reach your mind. So, my shrinks lost the bet and owes me a free session. Thanks!
Darth: Btw I said “The UK… we invented gin” I didn’t say anything about the English. Scotland was still part of my country the last time I checked. Victory is mine!
Island, there is no such thing as “the UK nation” (including “the UK nation of the North”). There are several nations within the state. Anyway, you’re beaten – if [gin] you admit it, then — wha kens? — I may graciously sponsor Indian tonic to a Dutch gin to cheer you up
Darth: I’m fairly sure there is such as thing as a nation called the UK; it’s written on my passport and I was there just a few weeks ago.
I really wouldn’t get too excited about the whole ‘Scotland is an enslaved nation’ thing. At the time of the union the Scottish political and economic elite were more than keen to form a single nation with the English as a way of getting away from the centuries of chaps in skirts running around the hills and chopping each others heads off with claymores; very bad for business that kind of thing.
Island, “nationality” in your passport translates into “obywatelstwo” in Polish. It’s got, at most, little to do with our “narodowość”. “A British national” means well, “a HM subject”, more or less. Polish terms are:
“Obywatelstwo” [citizenship]:
your ID tells you to what state you pay your taxes
“Narodowość” [nationality]:
your heart tells you to what ethnos you pay your longing
It’s quite possible there’s the British nation, (much like there is the American nation, not to be confused with the American country / state), and you can be of “dual nationality” — e.g. you can say “I’m a Welshman, I’m a Brit”. But I guess it wasn’t so in the times the Dutch brought in the gin. — And only within the broader sense “British nation” you could say the Scots formed one nation with the English.
Btw, where did I mention Scotland, an enslaved nation? If I were to talk threshold cases, I’d talk about the Irish first. No doubt there are some of them in Northern Ireland who feel Irish AND British — and others who feel Irish (just like their brethren in Dublin) but NO-WAY British (as they oppose the London tyranny over the land or something). Both groups, however, can be and often are British taxpayers => British “citizens”, as the Polish language would term them, could it speak English for a while.